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>1,000 scientists led by Nobel laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare

Post by clusterchuck » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:36 am

1,123 scientists and professionals from across the world led by the Norwegian physics Nobel Prize laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare:

"There is no climate emergency."

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https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... 215121.pdf
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Re: >1,000 scientists led by Nobel laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare

Post by pete » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:38 am

Oh no we gotta have that money
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Re: >1,000 scientists led by Nobel laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare

Post by donttreadonme » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:43 am

clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:36 am
1,123 scientists and professionals from across the world led by the Norwegian physics Nobel Prize laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare:

"There is no climate emergency."


ThereIsNoEmergency.jpg


https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... 215121.pdf
The guy is 93 years old, Numbnuts. :leghump:
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Re: >1,000 scientists led by Nobel laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare

Post by Evil » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:51 am

Climate Intelligence Foundation (CLINTEL)
Main image: CLINTEL

Background
The Climate Intelligence Foundation (CLINTEL) is a Netherlands-based1 climate science denial group founded in 2019 by retired professor of geophysics Guus Berkhout and journalist Marcel Crok.2 Its principal view is that “there is no climate emergency.”3
According to Dutch broadcaster Pointer (KRO_NCRV), the 800 “scientists, scholars, and professionals” that support CLINTEL have “conducted little to no climate research.”4 DeSmog analysis has found that the list of signatories includes a commercial fisherman, a retired chemist, a cardiologist, and an air-conditioning engineer, alongside a number of retired geologists.5
The organisation has close ties to Forum voor Democratie, the main nationalist party of the Netherlands, and its leader Thierry Baudet, who has quoted statements by CLINTEL in the country’s House of Representatives.6
Various members of CLINTEL’s list of ambassadors, and its extended list of signatories, have connections to libertarian free-market groups with a history of climate science denial, including the Heartland Institute, the Cato Institute, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute.7 All three organisations are members of the Koch-funded Atlas Network.8 9
In September 2019, DeSmog obtained leaked drafts of letters scheduled to be sent to leaders of EU and UN institutions, insisting that “there is no climate emergency.”10 The letter was eventually sent to UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres at the end of the month.11
The organisation also had representatives at a European Parliament press conference hosted by the European Conservatives and Reformists group where CLINTEL argued against the mainstream consensus on climate science.12
During the COVID-19 pandemic, CLINTEL published an open letter titled “Fight virus not carbon,” where it described climate change as a “non-problem.”13 14

CLINTEL is largely funded by real estate millionaire Niek Sandmann,18who has invested half a million euros in the organisation, and real estate entrepreneur Cor Verkade.19
Additionally, research by Follow the Money and the Platform Authentic Journalism, two Dutch investigative journalism sites, and data-journalism broadcaster Pointer (KRO–NCRV), found that oil money built up from the 1990s has filtered its way into the foundations of CLINTEL.20
An article on Follow the Money’s site explains that Guus Berkhout founded the Delphi Consortium, a company that develops geo-imaging technology for the oil and gas industry, in 1982. Over 30 fossil fuel organisations were committed to paying €30,000 to €55,000 per year to have access to Delphi’s research, including Shell, BP and Chevron.21
In 2014, Berkhout started another research project called the Center for Global Socio-Economic Change (CFGSEC), with €1.2 million of funding coming from the Delphi Consortium. With a network he built from this project, Berkhout founded CLINTEL.22
Both Berkhout and Crok have denied that there is any oil or gas funding behind CLINTEL.23

https://www.desmog.com/climate-intellig ... n-clintel/
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Re: >1,000 scientists led by Nobel laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare

Post by clusterchuck » Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:57 am

For the clowns that won't bother reading the public document:

Climate science should be less political, while climate policies should be more scientific. Scientists should openly address uncertainties and exaggerations in their predictions of global warming, while politicians should dispassionately count the real costs as well as the imagined benefits of their policy measures

Natural as well as anthropogenic factors cause warming
The geological archive reveals that Earth’s climate has varied as long as the planet has existed, with natural cold and warm phases. The Little Ice Age ended as recently as 1850. Therefore, it is no surprise that we now are experiencing a period of warming.

Warming is far slower than predicted
The world has warmed significantly less than predicted by IPCC on the basis of modeled anthropogenic forcing. The gap between the real world and the modeled world tells us that we are far from understanding climate change.

Climate policy relies on inadequate models
Climate models have many shortcomings and are not remotely plausible as policy tools. They do not only exaggerate the effect of greenhouse gases, they also ignore the fact that enriching the atmosphere with CO2 is beneficial.

CO2 is plant food, the basis of all life on Earth
CO2 is not a pollutant. It is essential to all life on Earth. More CO2 is favorable for nature, greening our planet. Additional CO2 in the air has promoted growth in global plant biomass. It is also profitable for agriculture, increasing the yields of crops worldwide.

Global warming has not increased natural disasters
There is no statistical evidence that global warming is intensifying hurricanes, floods, droughts and suchlike natural disasters, or making them more frequent. However, there is ample evidence that CO2-mitigation measures are as damaging as they are costly.

Climate policy must respect scientific and economic realities
There is no climate emergency. Therefore, there is no cause for panic and alarm. We strongly oppose the harmful and unrealistic net-zero CO2 policy proposed for 2050. Go for adaptation instead of mitigation; adaptation works whatever the causes are.

OUR ADVICE TO THE EUROPEAN LEADERS IS THAT SCIENCE SHOULD STRIVE FOR A SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE CLIMATE SYSTEM, WHILE POLITICS SHOULD FOCUS ON MINIMIZING POTENTIAL CLIMATE DAMAGE BY PRIORITIZING ADAPTATION STRATEGIES BASED ON PROVEN AND AFFORDABLE TECHNOLOGIES.

To believe the outcome of a climate model is to believe what the model makers have put in. This is precisely the problem of today’s climate discussion to which climate models are central. Climate science has degenerated into a discussion based on beliefs, not on sound self-critical science. Should not we free ourselves from the naïve belief in immature climate models?
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Re: >1,000 scientists led by Nobel laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare

Post by donttreadonme » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:01 pm

Evil wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:51 am
Climate Intelligence Foundation (CLINTEL)
Main image: CLINTEL

Background
The Climate Intelligence Foundation (CLINTEL) is a Netherlands-based1 climate science denial group founded in 2019 by retired professor of geophysics Guus Berkhout and journalist Marcel Crok.2 Its principal view is that “there is no climate emergency.”3
According to Dutch broadcaster Pointer (KRO_NCRV), the 800 “scientists, scholars, and professionals” that support CLINTEL have “conducted little to no climate research.”4 DeSmog analysis has found that the list of signatories includes a commercial fisherman, a retired chemist, a cardiologist, and an air-conditioning engineer, alongside a number of retired geologists.5
The organisation has close ties to Forum voor Democratie, the main nationalist party of the Netherlands, and its leader Thierry Baudet, who has quoted statements by CLINTEL in the country’s House of Representatives.6
Various members of CLINTEL’s list of ambassadors, and its extended list of signatories, have connections to libertarian free-market groups with a history of climate science denial, including the Heartland Institute, the Cato Institute, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute.7 All three organisations are members of the Koch-funded Atlas Network.8 9
In September 2019, DeSmog obtained leaked drafts of letters scheduled to be sent to leaders of EU and UN institutions, insisting that “there is no climate emergency.”10 The letter was eventually sent to UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres at the end of the month.11
The organisation also had representatives at a European Parliament press conference hosted by the European Conservatives and Reformists group where CLINTEL argued against the mainstream consensus on climate science.12
During the COVID-19 pandemic, CLINTEL published an open letter titled “Fight virus not carbon,” where it described climate change as a “non-problem.”13 14

CLINTEL is largely funded by real estate millionaire Niek Sandmann,18who has invested half a million euros in the organisation, and real estate entrepreneur Cor Verkade.19
Additionally, research by Follow the Money and the Platform Authentic Journalism, two Dutch investigative journalism sites, and data-journalism broadcaster Pointer (KRO–NCRV), found that oil money built up from the 1990s has filtered its way into the foundations of CLINTEL.20
An article on Follow the Money’s site explains that Guus Berkhout founded the Delphi Consortium, a company that develops geo-imaging technology for the oil and gas industry, in 1982. Over 30 fossil fuel organisations were committed to paying €30,000 to €55,000 per year to have access to Delphi’s research, including Shell, BP and Chevron.21
In 2014, Berkhout started another research project called the Center for Global Socio-Economic Change (CFGSEC), with €1.2 million of funding coming from the Delphi Consortium. With a network he built from this project, Berkhout founded CLINTEL.22
Both Berkhout and Crok have denied that there is any oil or gas funding behind CLINTEL.23

https://www.desmog.com/climate-intellig ... n-clintel/
" All three organisations are members of the Koch-funded Atlas Network."


THAT explains everything.
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Re: >1,000 scientists led by Nobel laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare

Post by Evil » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:13 pm

"Climate science should be less political, while climate policies should be more scientific."

As they ignore the science for political reasons.
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Re: >1,000 scientists led by Nobel laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare

Post by KC_ » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:31 pm

clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:36 am
1,123 scientists and professionals from across the world led by the Norwegian physics Nobel Prize laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare:

"There is no climate emergency."


ThereIsNoEmergency.jpg


https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... 215121.pdf
It’s a religion to some and a means for authoritarian government control for others . In either case AGW devotees will reject this scientific paper outright and attack the source whenever possible.
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Re: >1,000 scientists led by Nobel laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare

Post by Evil » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:32 pm

KC_ wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:31 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:36 am
1,123 scientists and professionals from across the world led by the Norwegian physics Nobel Prize laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare:

"There is no climate emergency."


ThereIsNoEmergency.jpg


https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... 215121.pdf
It’s a religion to some and a means for authoritarian government control for others . In either case AGW devotees will reject this scientific paper outright and attack the source whenever possible.
That's not a "scientific paper."
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Re: >1,000 scientists led by Nobel laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare

Post by KC_ » Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:36 pm

Evil wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:32 pm
KC_ wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 12:31 pm
clusterchuck wrote:
Fri Aug 19, 2022 11:36 am
1,123 scientists and professionals from across the world led by the Norwegian physics Nobel Prize laureate Professor Ivar Giaever declare:

"There is no climate emergency."


ThereIsNoEmergency.jpg


https://clintel.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... 215121.pdf
It’s a religion to some and a means for authoritarian government control for others . In either case AGW devotees will reject this scientific paper outright and attack the source whenever possible.
That's not a "scientific paper."
My mistake.

Climate models have been proven wrong .Common sense dictates we take a measured approach to a problem that has been wildly exaggerated.
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