It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

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It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

Post by pete » Sat Apr 13, 2024 11:58 am

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-09-04/ ... /101306628

Research suggests it is easier than ever for criminals to get guns illegally in Australia
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Re: It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

Post by Shred » Sun Apr 14, 2024 1:46 am

And in turn that's linked to the illegal drug trade.

Look at Portuguese drug policy, they pretty much killed off organised crime and despite having a bigger population than London, have fewer murders each year.

Australia despite having a Liberal Party, they're economic liberals, socially Conservative relative to drugs and it doesn't work.

Your libertarian party has a policy on drugs which could kill off organised crime's involvement in the drug trade and that would reduce gangland violence dramatically.
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Re: It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

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Re: It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

Post by Shred » Mon Apr 15, 2024 5:25 am

Australia has a drug trade.
Portugal does not.
Look at gun crime in Portugal.

The answer to illegal guns is not more guns, but get rid of the problem of drug crime in the way the Portuguese did it.
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Re: It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

Post by pete » Mon Apr 15, 2024 6:14 am

"...Drug-induced deaths, which decreased in Portugal from 369 in 1999 to 152 in 2003, climbed to 314 in 2007 – a number significantly higher than the 280 deaths recorded when decriminalization started in 2001..."
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Re: It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

Post by Shred » Wed Apr 17, 2024 4:56 am

Ok how many died as a result of smoking?
Smoking kills.
Alcohol abuse kills too.
Would you ban those?

Murders in Portugal are significantly lower.
Organised crime was pretty much wiped out.
There are very few thefts.

If Australia did as Portugal did, illegal guns would disappear.
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Re: It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

Post by pete » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:04 am

Shred wrote:
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Ok how many died as a result of smoking?
Smoking kills.
Alcohol abuse kills too.
Would you ban those?

Murders in Portugal are significantly lower.
Organised crime was pretty much wiped out.
There are very few thefts.

If Australia did as Portugal did, illegal guns would disappear.
You have to compare the now "legal" drugs to hideous substances like tobacco and booze to make them look ok?
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Re: It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

Post by Shred » Wed Apr 17, 2024 5:11 am

If tobacco and booze had just come out, most countries would have banned them.
But prohibition does not work, does it? It just creates black markets, all those gangs and some of the illegal immigrants you complain about are involved.
Police in corrupt countries are involved.
Some police in countries like yours and mine are involved.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... ling-drugs

Portugal is safer.

And remember, in countries where drugs are legal, you don't have to take them.
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Re: It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

Post by pete » Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:43 am

Every drug death leaves behind parents, husbands, wives, kids.

Surrender is not on my menu

Nobody is forced to buy guns
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Re: It is easier than ever getting illegal guns in Australia

Post by Shred » Wed Apr 17, 2024 6:53 am

Drug deaths are happening despite prohibition but also you have a problem of shoplifting junkies, burglars, muggers.

Portugal has decimated organised crime and with it, there's far less shoplifting, far less burglaries, far fewer muggers, and there are no illegal guns being used to kill people.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/d ... -copied-it

The murder rate in Portugal is one of the lowest in the world.
Their policy saves lives.
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