Every Senate Democrat Signs Legislation Blocking Prosecution Of Parents

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Every Senate Democrat Signs Legislation Blocking Prosecution Of Parents

Post by psk836 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:46 am

If you are a parent you are protected from the law. Because separation.

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Post by nolaxride » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:08 am

psk836 wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:46 am
If you are a parent you are protected from the law. Because separation.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/de ... scot-free/
I have no issues with getting rid of bad guys. Prosecuting someone who left their homeland to escape death is a policy that needs rethinking.
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Post by I am Z » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:20 am

it's so odd that people aren't "escaping from death" from our other border with Canada.

it must mean that Canada is filled with racist, whiteys who don't have any "brown" people with kids, then.
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I am Z wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:20 am
it's so odd that people aren't "escaping from death" from our other border with Canada.

it must mean that Canada is filled with racist, whiteys who don't have any "brown" people with kids, then.
Curious that we have a half million illegal white immigrants who aren't being prosecuted.
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Re: Every Senate Democrat Signs Legislation Blocking Prosecution Of Parents

Post by psk836 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:51 am

nolaxride wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:08 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:46 am
If you are a parent you are protected from the law. Because separation.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/de ... scot-free/
I have no issues with getting rid of bad guys. Prosecuting someone who left their homeland to escape death is a policy that needs rethinking.
Well the Democrats just set up children to be used universally as human shields. While I understand that you now wish to change longstanding immigration policy regarding separation of children (implemented for the purpose of protecting children), that is not what Democrats have sponsored.

At least Trump did address what all of our congressmen are too cowardly to tackle. While a legislative solution is preferable it could not be accomplished quickly enough to quell the left's pseudo-hysteria.
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I am Z wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:20 am
it's so odd that people aren't "escaping from death" from our other border with Canada.

it must mean that Canada is filled with racist, whiteys who don't have any "brown" people with kids, then.
Tongue in cheek I know.

Note that immigrants seeking asylum by international law are supposed to go to the "first safe country". That would be Mexico. Yet I do not see any pressure being put on Mexico to live up to its international responsibilities. Instead 80% of migrant females are being raped as they traverse Mexico. Again, no international outrage.

Upon reaching the US border, any asylum seeker will receive protections in the United States so long as they enter through a legal port of entry. Families who enter properly are NEVER separated. And while experience shows us that most of these asylum claims are fraudulent, those requesting it are given due process.

Immigrants entering our country illegally do not deserve any special protections. Their very first act in our country is to break our laws, and anybody who breaks our laws understands that certain rights (most of which do not apply to illegal aliens in the first place) are suspended.

Historically the bulk of illegal immigrants were young males seeking work. That changed under Obama who essentially authorized and permitted mass migration of central American families. His message was heard loud and clear throughout central America, and as I recall our own state department officials were distributing pamphlets on foreign soil, in Spanish, providing guidance on how to get here and what to say once here. Mexico further helped by publishing information on how to access the US welfare state and helpfully allowed illegals to pass through Mexico so long as they weren't planning on stopping.

There is so much wrong with this picture.
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Re: Every Senate Democrat Signs Legislation Blocking Prosecution Of Parents

Post by nolaxride » Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:42 pm

psk836 wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:51 am
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:08 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:46 am
If you are a parent you are protected from the law. Because separation.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/de ... scot-free/
I have no issues with getting rid of bad guys. Prosecuting someone who left their homeland to escape death is a policy that needs rethinking.
Well the Democrats just set up children to be used universally as human shields. While I understand that you now wish to change longstanding immigration policy regarding separation of children (implemented for the purpose of protecting children), that is not what Democrats have sponsored.

At least Trump did address what all of our congressmen are too cowardly to tackle. While a legislative solution is preferable it could not be accomplished quickly enough to quell the left's pseudo-hysteria.
Human shields? Really? The histrionics on the right would be hilarious if they weren't so sad.

Here's a simple solution. Keep the families together. Anytime there's a suspicion about parenting, do the test. Takes a day. If you're going to send them back, send them back as a familial unit. If they're not related, take care of the kids and get rid of the bad guys.
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Re: Every Senate Democrat Signs Legislation Blocking Prosecution Of Parents

Post by psk836 » Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:09 pm

nolaxride wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:42 pm
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:51 am
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:08 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:46 am
If you are a parent you are protected from the law. Because separation.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/de ... scot-free/
I have no issues with getting rid of bad guys. Prosecuting someone who left their homeland to escape death is a policy that needs rethinking.
Well the Democrats just set up children to be used universally as human shields. While I understand that you now wish to change longstanding immigration policy regarding separation of children (implemented for the purpose of protecting children), that is not what Democrats have sponsored.

At least Trump did address what all of our congressmen are too cowardly to tackle. While a legislative solution is preferable it could not be accomplished quickly enough to quell the left's pseudo-hysteria.
Human shields? Really? The histrionics on the right would be hilarious if they weren't so sad.

Here's a simple solution. Keep the families together. Anytime there's a suspicion about parenting, do the test. Takes a day. If you're going to send them back, send them back as a familial unit. If they're not related, take care of the kids and get rid of the bad guys.
The Democrats are not restricting the prosecutorial restrictions to immigrants.

"Every Senate Democrat has now signed on to cosponsor a bill written so carelessly that it does not distinguish between migrant children at the border and U.S. citizen children already within the United States. The bill further does not distinguish between federal officers handling the border crisis and federal law enforcement pursuing the ordinary course of their duties."

First, “designated agency” here is defined as the entirety of the federal departments of Homeland Security, Justice, and Health and Human Services. The scope of the bill is not limited to those portions of these departments involved with the border crisis, and there is no other limiting factor in the bill that would cabin the prohibition on family separation to immigration-related matters.

"Second, “agent or officer” is not defined by the legislation, except to say that it includes contractors. Federal law, however, already defines “officer” to include (with exceptions not relevant here) every federal employee appointed to the civil service by the head of an executive agency and ultimately overseen by the head of an executive agency."

"Third, “at or near the port of entry or within 100 miles of the border” does not meaningfully limit the geographic scope of this bill. That area includes almost the entirety of the geographical territory of the United States and the vast majority of people living in it. Two hundred million people live within 100 miles of the border. That’s roughly two-thirds of the U.S. population. Even more live near ports of entry, including in places far from the border crisis, like Salt Lake City, Utah (nearly 700 miles from the nearest border crossing), Tulsa, Oklahoma (more than 600 miles from the nearest border crossing), and Nashville, Tennessee (nearly 600 miles from the nearest border crossing). All major U.S. metropolitan areas fall within either 100 miles of the border or are near a port of entry or both."

"Finally, “child” is defined in this legislation as any individual who has not reached 18 years old who has no permanent immigration status. This astonishing definition includes U.S. citizens under the age of 18. Citizen children by definition have no immigration status, permanent or otherwise."
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Re: Every Senate Democrat Signs Legislation Blocking Prosecution Of Parents

Post by nolaxride » Sat Jun 23, 2018 3:56 am

psk836 wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 2:09 pm
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 1:42 pm
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:51 am
nolaxride wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:08 am
psk836 wrote:
Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:46 am
If you are a parent you are protected from the law. Because separation.

https://thefederalist.com/2018/06/19/de ... scot-free/
I have no issues with getting rid of bad guys. Prosecuting someone who left their homeland to escape death is a policy that needs rethinking.
Well the Democrats just set up children to be used universally as human shields. While I understand that you now wish to change longstanding immigration policy regarding separation of children (implemented for the purpose of protecting children), that is not what Democrats have sponsored.

At least Trump did address what all of our congressmen are too cowardly to tackle. While a legislative solution is preferable it could not be accomplished quickly enough to quell the left's pseudo-hysteria.
Human shields? Really? The histrionics on the right would be hilarious if they weren't so sad.

Here's a simple solution. Keep the families together. Anytime there's a suspicion about parenting, do the test. Takes a day. If you're going to send them back, send them back as a familial unit. If they're not related, take care of the kids and get rid of the bad guys.
The Democrats are not restricting the prosecutorial restrictions to immigrants.

"Every Senate Democrat has now signed on to cosponsor a bill written so carelessly that it does not distinguish between migrant children at the border and U.S. citizen children already within the United States. The bill further does not distinguish between federal officers handling the border crisis and federal law enforcement pursuing the ordinary course of their duties."

First, “designated agency” here is defined as the entirety of the federal departments of Homeland Security, Justice, and Health and Human Services. The scope of the bill is not limited to those portions of these departments involved with the border crisis, and there is no other limiting factor in the bill that would cabin the prohibition on family separation to immigration-related matters.

"Second, “agent or officer” is not defined by the legislation, except to say that it includes contractors. Federal law, however, already defines “officer” to include (with exceptions not relevant here) every federal employee appointed to the civil service by the head of an executive agency and ultimately overseen by the head of an executive agency."

"Third, “at or near the port of entry or within 100 miles of the border” does not meaningfully limit the geographic scope of this bill. That area includes almost the entirety of the geographical territory of the United States and the vast majority of people living in it. Two hundred million people live within 100 miles of the border. That’s roughly two-thirds of the U.S. population. Even more live near ports of entry, including in places far from the border crisis, like Salt Lake City, Utah (nearly 700 miles from the nearest border crossing), Tulsa, Oklahoma (more than 600 miles from the nearest border crossing), and Nashville, Tennessee (nearly 600 miles from the nearest border crossing). All major U.S. metropolitan areas fall within either 100 miles of the border or are near a port of entry or both."

"Finally, “child” is defined in this legislation as any individual who has not reached 18 years old who has no permanent immigration status. This astonishing definition includes U.S. citizens under the age of 18. Citizen children by definition have no immigration status, permanent or otherwise."
I'm sure the GOP would be helpful in curing those minor issues...
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